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		<title>By: Ringing of the Bells &#187; Timothy Green</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ringing of the Bells &#187; Timothy Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be late to the party, but if I don&#8217;t chime in on this post, and the subsequent flame war between Howard Junker of Zyzzyva and Ted Genoways of VQR, what kind of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A war of words at the bottom of the alphabet &#171; Ad Nauseam</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2426</link>
		<dc:creator>A war of words at the bottom of the alphabet &#171; Ad Nauseam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 29: On VQR&#8217;s blog, Waldo Jaquith posts a (now censored) list of amusingly nasty things VQR reviewers wrote about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: VQR &#187; Blog &#187; Howard Junker Has Your Back</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>VQR &#187; Blog &#187; Howard Junker Has Your Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 00:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all those offended by the comments on this blog regarding certain especially inappropriate submissions, you can take solace in the knowledge that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oh, Barf-o &#171; BlogLily</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2404</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, Barf-o &#171; BlogLily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a summary. Waldo Jaquith over at the Virginia Quarterly Review, which is a literary journal, posted a bunch of the mean comments their editors have made about fiction submissions. They&#8217;ve since been removed, so you&#8217;ll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a summary. Waldo Jaquith over at the Virginia Quarterly Review, which is a literary journal, posted a bunch of the mean comments their editors have made about fiction submissions. They&#8217;ve since been removed, so you&#8217;ll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2390</link>
		<dc:creator>Elisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: &quot;I know there’s a lot of bad writing in the world, but it is never a bad thing that people are writing, and submitting, and caring about literary journals. In an era where journals are folding and fiction/poetry seems increasingly unvalued (not sure if that’s a word), it seems also unneccessary to essentially crap on the people who do still care about it.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure I agree that this is a good point. Journals are not folding because of a lack of submissions. Not remotely. It&#039;s because of a lack of subscribers or other source of funding. I too read for a literary journal (Ploughshares) and we get many submissions from writers who clearly know nothing about the journal other than that it exists. There are far better ways to support journals than submitting to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: &#8220;I know there’s a lot of bad writing in the world, but it is never a bad thing that people are writing, and submitting, and caring about literary journals. In an era where journals are folding and fiction/poetry seems increasingly unvalued (not sure if that’s a word), it seems also unneccessary to essentially crap on the people who do still care about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree that this is a good point. Journals are not folding because of a lack of submissions. Not remotely. It&#8217;s because of a lack of subscribers or other source of funding. I too read for a literary journal (Ploughshares) and we get many submissions from writers who clearly know nothing about the journal other than that it exists. There are far better ways to support journals than submitting to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyson</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m annoyed that I can&#039;t read all of them.  People are much too sensitive.  This reminds me of the early episodes on each season of American Idol when some poor fool who CANNOT sing gets upset with Simon because Simon tells him HE CAN&#039;T SING.  Someone&#039;s gotta do it.  Imagine if he didn&#039;t.  Imagine - an entire world of that Hung guy.  Horrible singers EVERYWHERE, even better, horrible singers who THINK THAT THEY&#039;RE GOOD.  Argh.

I vote to send the snarky replies to the authors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m annoyed that I can&#8217;t read all of them.  People are much too sensitive.  This reminds me of the early episodes on each season of American Idol when some poor fool who CANNOT sing gets upset with Simon because Simon tells him HE CAN&#8217;T SING.  Someone&#8217;s gotta do it.  Imagine if he didn&#8217;t.  Imagine &#8211; an entire world of that Hung guy.  Horrible singers EVERYWHERE, even better, horrible singers who THINK THAT THEY&#8217;RE GOOD.  Argh.</p>
<p>I vote to send the snarky replies to the authors.</p>
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		<title>By: litmag blogs &#171; Writing Under a Pseudonym</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>litmag blogs &#171; Writing Under a Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] try to stick to the subject at hand: work at the literary journal and issues around the industry. Virginia Quarterly just listed all the reasons for rejecting literary works. It&#8217;s a stinging but honest list of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] try to stick to the subject at hand: work at the literary journal and issues around the industry. Virginia Quarterly just listed all the reasons for rejecting literary works. It&#8217;s a stinging but honest list of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was absolutely not saying there is no difference between good and bad writing -- as I said, I read for a journal for a few years, and of COURSE I understand the cruel humor that comes out of facing enormous slush piles, reasonably arrogant query letters, and the exhaustion that follows the need to read...and read...and read all those stories.  And I did find myself in the unhealthy position of really resenting the stories, and the writers, when I would read something that just plain wasn&#039;t &quot;good&quot;.  One of the reasons I stopped was it felt weird to me to resent the thing I was (in the best version of the world, anyway) hoping to celebrate.  Especially when I myself was receiving rejection after rejection of my own work.

But what feels unfair to me is the want to advertise the coolness of your editorial staff through their cruel putdowns -- in a way, it&#039;s an implicit gesture saying,  &quot;We&#039;re so good that even our PUTDOWNS are worth more than what these poor bastards write.&quot;  I mean: you publish (in one form or another) the witty barbs....so in your eyes, those barbs -- in their cruelty, in their hyperbole -- have a kind of merit that these writers do not.  And maybe the one-liners are better written than the stories you read -- it is still a strange practice to celebrate the work of your editorial staff triumphing over, say, literary mediocrity.

Anyway, I don&#039;t want to belabor this any more than I already have.  It just seems unnecessarily mean spirited and self-aggrandizing for no purpose beyond a celebration of self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was absolutely not saying there is no difference between good and bad writing &#8212; as I said, I read for a journal for a few years, and of COURSE I understand the cruel humor that comes out of facing enormous slush piles, reasonably arrogant query letters, and the exhaustion that follows the need to read&#8230;and read&#8230;and read all those stories.  And I did find myself in the unhealthy position of really resenting the stories, and the writers, when I would read something that just plain wasn&#8217;t &#8220;good&#8221;.  One of the reasons I stopped was it felt weird to me to resent the thing I was (in the best version of the world, anyway) hoping to celebrate.  Especially when I myself was receiving rejection after rejection of my own work.</p>
<p>But what feels unfair to me is the want to advertise the coolness of your editorial staff through their cruel putdowns &#8212; in a way, it&#8217;s an implicit gesture saying,  &#8220;We&#8217;re so good that even our PUTDOWNS are worth more than what these poor bastards write.&#8221;  I mean: you publish (in one form or another) the witty barbs&#8230;.so in your eyes, those barbs &#8212; in their cruelty, in their hyperbole &#8212; have a kind of merit that these writers do not.  And maybe the one-liners are better written than the stories you read &#8212; it is still a strange practice to celebrate the work of your editorial staff triumphing over, say, literary mediocrity.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t want to belabor this any more than I already have.  It just seems unnecessarily mean spirited and self-aggrandizing for no purpose beyond a celebration of self.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2008/04/29/reader-comments/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 14:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s so interesting about people disagreeing. People disagree about simple, straightforward stuff all the time. That&#039;s the EASIEST stuff to disagree about!

To Rob&#039;s point, there is a big difference between the New Yorker printing -- and implicitly mocking -- bad turns of phrase from newspapers and VQR explicitly mocking its contributors. For one, newspaper writing is public. It is the product of professionals who are then judged by that product. And the New Yorker has no relationship with those papers and does not owe them anything or depend upon them for anything. It certainly doesn&#039;t exist because of them.

The writing of contributors, on the other hand, is not public and the judgment you render ought (I think) to be confidential. This is out of respect for contributors, who take the time to send you their writing, and this is out of respect for VQR as an institution. You depend on contributors for your livelihood. Why do you think it&#039;s cool to publicly mock them? Or perhaps you think it&#039;s only okay to mock the ones who really, really suck. I think it&#039;s bad form. Mock one, you mock them all. And you make yourselves look really petty. 

(That you then printed positive comments completely misses the point, by the way. Of course readers say awful things about awful writing and great things about great writing. That goes without saying. That&#039;s their job. But it doesn&#039;t &quot;even the scales&quot; and somehow make right the fact that you ridiculed your contributors on your blog.)

Another point, Waldo: Mike was not saying (if I read him correctly) that there is no bad writing. To the contrary, he was saying that it serves no purpose for VQR to publicly mock the bad writing it receives and rejects. By doing so, it is mocking the very impulse to write and submit.

I suppose I come off as a little earnest and humorless here. But I&#039;ve been an editor for a long time, and I take seriously the responsibility that editors have to their writers, even to the ones they don&#039;t print. This blog post was hardly a cardinal sin, but Waldo, you don&#039;t seem willing to acknowledge that anything might possibly be amiss here. That&#039;s what I find so interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s so interesting about people disagreeing. People disagree about simple, straightforward stuff all the time. That&#8217;s the EASIEST stuff to disagree about!</p>
<p>To Rob&#8217;s point, there is a big difference between the New Yorker printing &#8212; and implicitly mocking &#8212; bad turns of phrase from newspapers and VQR explicitly mocking its contributors. For one, newspaper writing is public. It is the product of professionals who are then judged by that product. And the New Yorker has no relationship with those papers and does not owe them anything or depend upon them for anything. It certainly doesn&#8217;t exist because of them.</p>
<p>The writing of contributors, on the other hand, is not public and the judgment you render ought (I think) to be confidential. This is out of respect for contributors, who take the time to send you their writing, and this is out of respect for VQR as an institution. You depend on contributors for your livelihood. Why do you think it&#8217;s cool to publicly mock them? Or perhaps you think it&#8217;s only okay to mock the ones who really, really suck. I think it&#8217;s bad form. Mock one, you mock them all. And you make yourselves look really petty. </p>
<p>(That you then printed positive comments completely misses the point, by the way. Of course readers say awful things about awful writing and great things about great writing. That goes without saying. That&#8217;s their job. But it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;even the scales&#8221; and somehow make right the fact that you ridiculed your contributors on your blog.)</p>
<p>Another point, Waldo: Mike was not saying (if I read him correctly) that there is no bad writing. To the contrary, he was saying that it serves no purpose for VQR to publicly mock the bad writing it receives and rejects. By doing so, it is mocking the very impulse to write and submit.</p>
<p>I suppose I come off as a little earnest and humorless here. But I&#8217;ve been an editor for a long time, and I take seriously the responsibility that editors have to their writers, even to the ones they don&#8217;t print. This blog post was hardly a cardinal sin, but Waldo, you don&#8217;t seem willing to acknowledge that anything might possibly be amiss here. That&#8217;s what I find so interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: eNotes Book Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guo JingMing- Worse than Communism&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>eNotes Book Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Guo JingMing- Worse than Communism&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 19:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if you&#8217;re a bad writer you may want to skip this because they may be talking about you. The Virginia Quarterly Review has a list of the funniest insults about writing their readers have been forced to endure. Maybe [...]</description>
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