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		<title>By: An NYU Student</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>An NYU Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To link to The Atlantic article &#039;Is Google Making is Stupid?&#039; without admitting that in the current issue there is a feature article tagged &#039;Is Google Actually Making Us Smarter&#039; on the front isn&#039;t cool. And I think that, in their own ways, the articles are both right. Your post was fantastic, by the way. I&#039;ve never heard of VQR, but then again I&#039;m not yet 20. I&#039;ll be sure to check out the rest of it. Thanks for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To link to The Atlantic article &#8216;Is Google Making is Stupid?&#8217; without admitting that in the current issue there is a feature article tagged &#8216;Is Google Actually Making Us Smarter&#8217; on the front isn&#8217;t cool. And I think that, in their own ways, the articles are both right. Your post was fantastic, by the way. I&#8217;ve never heard of VQR, but then again I&#8217;m not yet 20. I&#8217;ll be sure to check out the rest of it. Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: noted at with hidden noise</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>noted at with hidden noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Silverman on the new ludditism in literature at the VQR [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PHM</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3249</link>
		<dc:creator>PHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that as technology grows to encompass everything it will do more good than harm. If electronic book readers follow the same path as all other technology (becoming less expensive as time goes on) then, in fact, they will help proliferate novels and magazines (especially off-beat novels and magazines that a small, local bookstore might not have or a local library might not carry). Consider the greatness that could ensue if a library a small West African nation purchased a handful of eBook readers and attached them to the Gutenberg library rather than buying 200-year-old classics again and again? Then the library request feature would work the same, wouldn&#039;t it? And more over, booksellers have often and always made exceptions for public institutions. Thus I find it very plausible that electronic ink is going to pave the way for more literacy.

It&#039;s not that people aren&#039;t reading, in fact I&#039;d say that if Joe the Plumber is getting his news from Reuters online instead of the CBS Evening News then, in fact, literacy has increased. It&#039;s the kinds of things that people are reading. The overall bend toward non-fiction has been a product of post-9/11 culture and its necessity to be grounded in fact. I think when the time comes that people are generally ready to read fiction on a massive scale again, they&#039;ll be looking online more than they&#039;ll be looking at Borders.

I also think that society is going to adjust to the changes brought on. The internet has been around for 40 years, remember, so as with all changes, it&#039;s going to take a bit longer for society to be fully ready to deal with the consequences of constant availability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that as technology grows to encompass everything it will do more good than harm. If electronic book readers follow the same path as all other technology (becoming less expensive as time goes on) then, in fact, they will help proliferate novels and magazines (especially off-beat novels and magazines that a small, local bookstore might not have or a local library might not carry). Consider the greatness that could ensue if a library a small West African nation purchased a handful of eBook readers and attached them to the Gutenberg library rather than buying 200-year-old classics again and again? Then the library request feature would work the same, wouldn&#8217;t it? And more over, booksellers have often and always made exceptions for public institutions. Thus I find it very plausible that electronic ink is going to pave the way for more literacy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that people aren&#8217;t reading, in fact I&#8217;d say that if Joe the Plumber is getting his news from Reuters online instead of the CBS Evening News then, in fact, literacy has increased. It&#8217;s the kinds of things that people are reading. The overall bend toward non-fiction has been a product of post-9/11 culture and its necessity to be grounded in fact. I think when the time comes that people are generally ready to read fiction on a massive scale again, they&#8217;ll be looking online more than they&#8217;ll be looking at Borders.</p>
<p>I also think that society is going to adjust to the changes brought on. The internet has been around for 40 years, remember, so as with all changes, it&#8217;s going to take a bit longer for society to be fully ready to deal with the consequences of constant availability.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3248</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicholas Carr wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a very good article&lt;/a&gt; for the &lt;em&gt;Atlantic&lt;/em&gt; that addresses some of the issues raised here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas Carr wrote <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google" rel="nofollow">a very good article</a> for the <em>Atlantic</em> that addresses some of the issues raised here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Silverman</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Diana, and thanks for chiming in.

Please don&#039;t judge me by my vocabulary. You&#039;re correct that I was an English/Creative Writing major, but I admittedly know very little about theory. I do read some criticism, but it&#039;s the usual suspects: newspaper reviews, VQR, the Atlantic, Harpers, NYRB, etc. I don&#039;t spend nights reading Irving Howe and H.L. Mencken by lamplight, though I&#039;d probably get something out of it. As for &quot;memes,&quot; I get that from reading Andrew Sullivan&#039;s blog.

I&#039;m really not a partisan one way or another in this debate. I was trying to express my overall ambivalence about technology -- there are certainly some aspects of it that I love (I don&#039;t think I could give up my cell phone like Kunkel). 

As for the library card image, it may be a romantic one, but it&#039;s also true. For one example, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edrants.com/sherman-alexie-clarifies-elitist-charges/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this recent conversation&lt;/a&gt; on Ed Champion&#039;s site. Several people in the comments talk about growing up poor and how essential libraries and bookmobiles were to their education.

Finally, I use the term ludditism (and I think I was wrong and that luddism is proper) to mean a few things. I think some degree of luddism or skepticism towards technology can be useful because it causes us to stop and think about what we&#039;re doing, to assess if we like the direction in which things were going. But at the same time, writers, of fiction and non-fiction, must reckon with these ideas to remain relevant cultural contributors, and that&#039;s why towards the end I mention that concerns about technology shouldn&#039;t be relegated just to sci-fi writers or some other benighted sub-genre. Then again, many sci-fi writers are doing quite well (certainly in TV and film), and the &lt;em&gt;New Yorker&lt;/em&gt;, of all places, has actually published some sci-fi/techno-tinged stories in the last year. (Off the top of my head I can think of Jonathan Lethem&#039;s &quot;Lostronaut&quot; story and a recent one by an Israeli writer.)

Best,
Jacob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Diana, and thanks for chiming in.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t judge me by my vocabulary. You&#8217;re correct that I was an English/Creative Writing major, but I admittedly know very little about theory. I do read some criticism, but it&#8217;s the usual suspects: newspaper reviews, VQR, the Atlantic, Harpers, NYRB, etc. I don&#8217;t spend nights reading Irving Howe and H.L. Mencken by lamplight, though I&#8217;d probably get something out of it. As for &#8220;memes,&#8221; I get that from reading Andrew Sullivan&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not a partisan one way or another in this debate. I was trying to express my overall ambivalence about technology &#8212; there are certainly some aspects of it that I love (I don&#8217;t think I could give up my cell phone like Kunkel). </p>
<p>As for the library card image, it may be a romantic one, but it&#8217;s also true. For one example, check out <a href="http://www.edrants.com/sherman-alexie-clarifies-elitist-charges/" rel="nofollow">this recent conversation</a> on Ed Champion&#8217;s site. Several people in the comments talk about growing up poor and how essential libraries and bookmobiles were to their education.</p>
<p>Finally, I use the term ludditism (and I think I was wrong and that luddism is proper) to mean a few things. I think some degree of luddism or skepticism towards technology can be useful because it causes us to stop and think about what we&#8217;re doing, to assess if we like the direction in which things were going. But at the same time, writers, of fiction and non-fiction, must reckon with these ideas to remain relevant cultural contributors, and that&#8217;s why towards the end I mention that concerns about technology shouldn&#8217;t be relegated just to sci-fi writers or some other benighted sub-genre. Then again, many sci-fi writers are doing quite well (certainly in TV and film), and the <em>New Yorker</em>, of all places, has actually published some sci-fi/techno-tinged stories in the last year. (Off the top of my head I can think of Jonathan Lethem&#8217;s &#8220;Lostronaut&#8221; story and a recent one by an Israeli writer.)</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jacob</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3211</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Silverman, 
      I enjoyed reading your article; although, to be honest, I think I enjoyed it only because it reaffirmed the opinion I already held of myself as someone who belongs to that “special” category of person who still reads novels and poetry and cares about Art with a capital… you get it. It has become modish (not without reason) to critique mankind’s current seduction by technology, and I feel that your blog post fits nicely within this “What Hath We Wrought” trope. Please don’t get me wrong. I understand that the discipline (or pleasurable pastime) of critiquing is a.) not very new b.) kind of useful c.) probably what distinguishes us from rocks, carrots and most animals. However, I have not made up my mind about the depth of your analysis in this particular blog post. Maybe the post was not meant to be an “in-depth” (whatever that means) analysis of anything but more an elegant rumination (very back cover blurb- forgive me) on your own struggle to quit the Interweb and its endless blue links and vertiginous cliffs of information… Ok, now I kind of feel like I am copping your writing style. Also, if you’re the type to keep track of these types of things, I have not made any lucid points. Maybe if I take some of your quotes and comment on them I will be able to find a path out of the (beautiful) wilderness of my own writing:

&quot;Something must endure, and the history books—or whatever we create to contain and record our history—will not, I hope, be concerned with David at the Dentist or the latest celebrity nipple slip. That’s not to say that they don’t have their brief moments of (severely) relative importance, but these ephemera are clearly part of pop culture, not culture—full stop. But it also takes time, decades maybe, before we find what truly persists, despite our eagerness to anoint something as great or canonical.&quot;

Nobody I know has anointed David at the Dentist as “canonical” or “great.” Actually, my father told me it was child abuse after I showed him the video. I don’t think our history books will be concerned with the latest nipple slip; I don’t believe you really think they will be either. Or maybe you do. I guess I don’t really know you. Yes, it takes time to find out what persists. Sometimes critics will even argue about whether something that has persisted deserves to have persisted for so long.  Life is funny like that. 



&quot;After all, many of the elderly or the poor aren’t regular computer users. A kid living in poverty in East L.A. or East Timor may not have access to a cell phone or internet-connected computer, though he might have a library card or a few books (hence some of the recent arguments that widespread adoption of e-readers could impinge on book access for the poor). However, the hopes of the digital age—and those techno-evangelists who abet it…” 

I think cell phones are a relatively cheap technological device. The population of many of the developing nations I have visited are quite dependent on them. Text messaging is one of the cheapest ways to contact a body. Internet cafes are legion. I believe most libraries in the United States have wireless; it might even be a requirement.  The image of a poverty-hobbled child with a love for literature in his heart and a useless library card in his back pocket seems a bit Romantic. 


Your use of phrases like “literary ecosystems” and “artificial ghettoes of genre” tells me you have read a lot of literary criticism and theory. You might have majored in English or Creative Writing. You also threw “memes” into your essay for good measure. Interesting.  Anyway, I liked your piece. Really. I would write more and perhaps make a coherent argument, but I’m being distracted by other things I could do online (cheap ending-  but I needed to end my rant!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Silverman,<br />
      I enjoyed reading your article; although, to be honest, I think I enjoyed it only because it reaffirmed the opinion I already held of myself as someone who belongs to that “special” category of person who still reads novels and poetry and cares about Art with a capital… you get it. It has become modish (not without reason) to critique mankind’s current seduction by technology, and I feel that your blog post fits nicely within this “What Hath We Wrought” trope. Please don’t get me wrong. I understand that the discipline (or pleasurable pastime) of critiquing is a.) not very new b.) kind of useful c.) probably what distinguishes us from rocks, carrots and most animals. However, I have not made up my mind about the depth of your analysis in this particular blog post. Maybe the post was not meant to be an “in-depth” (whatever that means) analysis of anything but more an elegant rumination (very back cover blurb- forgive me) on your own struggle to quit the Interweb and its endless blue links and vertiginous cliffs of information… Ok, now I kind of feel like I am copping your writing style. Also, if you’re the type to keep track of these types of things, I have not made any lucid points. Maybe if I take some of your quotes and comment on them I will be able to find a path out of the (beautiful) wilderness of my own writing:</p>
<p>&#8220;Something must endure, and the history books—or whatever we create to contain and record our history—will not, I hope, be concerned with David at the Dentist or the latest celebrity nipple slip. That’s not to say that they don’t have their brief moments of (severely) relative importance, but these ephemera are clearly part of pop culture, not culture—full stop. But it also takes time, decades maybe, before we find what truly persists, despite our eagerness to anoint something as great or canonical.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody I know has anointed David at the Dentist as “canonical” or “great.” Actually, my father told me it was child abuse after I showed him the video. I don’t think our history books will be concerned with the latest nipple slip; I don’t believe you really think they will be either. Or maybe you do. I guess I don’t really know you. Yes, it takes time to find out what persists. Sometimes critics will even argue about whether something that has persisted deserves to have persisted for so long.  Life is funny like that. </p>
<p>&#8220;After all, many of the elderly or the poor aren’t regular computer users. A kid living in poverty in East L.A. or East Timor may not have access to a cell phone or internet-connected computer, though he might have a library card or a few books (hence some of the recent arguments that widespread adoption of e-readers could impinge on book access for the poor). However, the hopes of the digital age—and those techno-evangelists who abet it…” </p>
<p>I think cell phones are a relatively cheap technological device. The population of many of the developing nations I have visited are quite dependent on them. Text messaging is one of the cheapest ways to contact a body. Internet cafes are legion. I believe most libraries in the United States have wireless; it might even be a requirement.  The image of a poverty-hobbled child with a love for literature in his heart and a useless library card in his back pocket seems a bit Romantic. </p>
<p>Your use of phrases like “literary ecosystems” and “artificial ghettoes of genre” tells me you have read a lot of literary criticism and theory. You might have majored in English or Creative Writing. You also threw “memes” into your essay for good measure. Interesting.  Anyway, I liked your piece. Really. I would write more and perhaps make a coherent argument, but I’m being distracted by other things I could do online (cheap ending-  but I needed to end my rant!).</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/26/new-ludditism-literature/#comment-3169</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s my mistake, Daniel, for not catching itthanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure you meant &quot;casualties&quot;&quot;, not &quot;causalities.&quot; Otherwise, great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you meant &#8220;casualties&#8221;", not &#8220;causalities.&#8221; Otherwise, great article!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Styles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Styles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent articulation of current phenomena. Thank you, Mr. Silverman.  I&#039;m confident that writers will always pick the details (whatever technology those details may be) that feel right to fashion for their creative purposes. What is made of that by readers and publishers, is what will be made of that.  Se La Vie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent articulation of current phenomena. Thank you, Mr. Silverman.  I&#8217;m confident that writers will always pick the details (whatever technology those details may be) that feel right to fashion for their creative purposes. What is made of that by readers and publishers, is what will be made of that.  Se La Vie.</p>
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